User:Rlward/2006 1Q

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System Rights

Robert: I just realized that I had not given you 'sysop' or 'bureaucrat' rights on the wiki. Sysop rights allows you to delete pages and other administrative tasks. Bureaucrat status allows you to grant similar sysop and bureaucrat rights to other users. If you see pages which need to be deleted, you should now see a delete tab at the top of each page (you may need to log off and back on to see this). To rename a page, simply select the Move tab and type in the new name.

Tdoyle 09:01, 17 January 2006 (CST)

Table converter

Robert: As you move data over, you might want to convert HTML-style tables to wik-style tables. You can copy the source to your clipboard, paste it on this website, and it will provide the modified source for you to place in our wiki. Wiki Table Converter.

Divbox feature

Robert: I have just added a new feature. We can decide to use it or not use it. In any case, it's there when and if we need it. Take a look at Template talk:Divbox. This basically gives us an easy way to add a colored box to any page.

Tim, Tdoyle 15:12, 19 January 2006 (CST)

De Salis Fraud

Robert: I see that you've been adding N.B. sections and other comments on pages containing information that came from the De Salis fraud. I'm thinking that we may need to really let people know about this - in a stronger manner. Take a look at Archive:The Whitney Family of Connecticut, page xvi and you'll see the warning that I have added at the top. If you'd like to change the wording of this message, just edit Template:De Salis Fraud.

Tim, Tdoyle 18:20, 21 January 2006 (CST)



At the top of the page you are working on (with the N.B. at the top), try this instead of your current divbox:

{{Warning|The information given here does contain some errors. Use with care!}}

Which will produce this:

You can add any text that is appropriate and the image will always be displayed. We can upload a larger version of that image for this purpose if we think it'd be better visually. If you prefer, you can also stay with your current method.

Tim, Tdoyle


Robert: Take a look at my user page, above my lineages. These are called userboxes and we can create them as we think of them. It's a great way to get people interested in working with their homepages, and telling others about themselves. I've created one for descendants of John & Henry, and we can add them for other immigrants or groups, locations that members currently live (countries or states), other interests, genealogical certifications, etc.

- Tim Doyle 09:18, 26 January 2006 (CST)

Editing the Main Page

Robert: It looks as though you've already fixed the main page, but I suspect you may not realize it. On that page, I have the following:


  • The first line is fairly simple - start a 3rd-level heading (the equal signs) and make the text be a link to the page named 'Miscellaneous'.
  • The second line might be a bit confusing - it basically says go grab the contents of the page named 'Miscellaneous' and display them here, as if I had typed them here originally. That's what the {{ and }} characters do. This is how the templates work. By default, these curly braces look for the page you designate in the Template: namespace. Because I wanted to grab the Miscellaneous page from the main namespace, I had to put the : in front of it. In this way, we can display the contents of the Misc. page both on the Misc page as well as on the main page, and only have to edit it once. Why do we have to have it in both places? This goes back to that whole discussion many years ago where I was in favor of a simplified main page, but others wanted the descriptions. We can break this to make it easier to edit by placing the items on both pages, but we'll have to remember to edit both.

- Tim Doyle 21:13, 27 January 2006 (CST)

Citations and Family template


The new citation functionality that I was looking into (and had mentioned on my list) turned out to be for a future, as yet unreleased version of the software running this site, and as such, we cannot yet use it. I propose we continue with the current method of citing sources. We can always re-examine this in the future if we choose to, but there's no reason to stop from moving forward now.

I have created a Family Group Record Format page where I have started to add style guidelines as well as a template format that we can use for the Family pages. Take a look at the discussion tab on that article as well - that's where I suggest we discuss issues in the Family namespace.


- Tim Doyle 08:50, 2 February 2006 (CST)



I have made great progress on getting the GEDCOM data on the wiki. Take a look at John Whitney in Allan Green's database and let me know what you think. Keep in mind that this is a beta version, and that not all of the links presented on those pages work properly, but the links to other people do.

- Tim Doyle 09:59, 3 February 2006 (CST)

Your database

Robert: Take a look at John Whitney in Robert Ward's database. I've noticed a few issues, but it's at least there.

- Tim Doyle 18:56, 3 February 2006 (CST)

Phoenix Format


A few questions regarding the Phoenix import:

  • Do all pages include the title you currently show at the top of the page?
  • Do all pages include the title "Whitney Family" inside the box?


Phoenix Format, part 2


I am soon going to take that sample page and start to extract certain repetitive formatting type information out into templates and add the calls to the templates in the page. This will simplify the pages themselves making for easier editing by users, and will put the formatting code in one area, so that if we decide to change it in the future, we can make the change in one place instead of thousands of individual pages. Your information about the headings is very helpful - now I know that I need to do it like I did the Pierce headings, sending in three parameters.

- Tim Doyle 11:07, 15 February 2006 (CST)



Take a look at the first page of the Phoenix Test located at Phoenix Test. As you can see, I pulled out all of the formatting code into templates, making the actual pages a lot more readable. Can you verify that the results look correct? Does this format make sense to you?


- Tim Doyle 08:48, 16 February 2006 (CST)


Thank you - I think adding these templates really cleaned up the page and made it easier for editors to understand. It also reduces the chances for typos to throw the whole page out of whack. Feel free to change this page or the templates as desired. Although the test page will eventually be deleted, the templates are there to stay, so it's important that we fine tune them to get them right.

Are the center items ALWAYS italicized? If so, we can change the template to add that. If not, we'll need to change the call to the template to send in the italics when needed.

When pages start with a continuation of an entry, we can either just add a new entry and not pass any parameters to the template for the left and right columns, or we can create a new template called PhoenixEntryContinued and just pass the text for the middle section.

We should probably seperate out the horizontal rule and the title for the new family - so that we can call when needed. This will solve the issue of a page starting with a family group, but no horizontal line needed.

We should probably add a new template to start a new generation, and call it when needed.

I am going to go make these changes, but I'll probably need you to modify the contents of the generation template once I create it.

- Tim Doyle 10:40, 16 February 2006 (CST)

Excellent Progress!


You're making excellent progress! I've been very busy with work and haven't had a chance to really sit down and make much progress here other than a page here and there. I'm leaving for California this afternoon, returning Friday, so I probably won't make much progress here before next weekend.

I made a change last night and converted the page Archive:Whitney Whistler, Volume 1, Number 2 that had been entered with <pre> to instead use <p id="Plaintext">. This makes the page look like it's in a pre section, but allows the use of links. As we start to add links from these source material pages to the families, this will become important. No need to go back and convert all of these pages, but we'll need to keep this in mind as we start adding links. Also, this method is a bit fussier than the pre method. It allows the paragraph section to work, but it also opens up other things to start working as well. On this page, I had to 'fix' a line which started with a '#'.

I think I found a way to add my talk page to my signature - if so, you'll see it below.


- Tim Doyle | Talk to me 07:33, 21 February 2006 (CST)

Reverted edit on Thomas' page


I saw your two edits and your rollback on the Thomas Whitney page. Were you aware that the rollback feature rolls back multiple edits of a single author? Both of your edits (the descriptive changes for the ancestry as well as the spacing changes were reverted. Was this what you were intending? If not, the bext way to roll back a single change like this is to go to the history page, select the date/time of the version that you want to keep, edit it, and save it. That will make that version the most recent version.

- Tim Doyle | Talk to me 10:05, 28 February 2006 (CST)

Change to Pierce


Take a look at this edit: Pierce Edit. Deb Whitney has added a few dates to a section in Pierce. We obviously don't want to lose this information, but I also know that adding it to Pierce is the wrong thing to do. I plan to roll back this change, but where should we record her additions?


- Tim Doyle | Talk to me 14:55, 1 March 2006 (CST)

Errors in Pierce (and elsewhere)


I think the idea of adding a warning graphic is a good one. It took us a long time to figure out how to make a graphic image a link, and it's not pretty, but here's how to do it:


- Tim Doyle | Talk to me 10:33, 2 March 2006 (CST)

A better way


How's this instead: Danger.jpg

We can make a more generic one that can take a page name I think...

- Tim Doyle | Talk to me 11:33, 2 March 2006 (CST)

Printable Version

Blech! That's nasty! I think I know how to fix it though. If I remember correctly, the software has a 'template' for the printable version, so a few tweaks to that should solve things (I hope).

- Tim Doyle | Talk to me 18:38, 2 March 2006 (CST)

Henry Whitney


I have added some information to the bottom of the page Henry Whitney's English Ancestry and I thought you would be interested.


Printable Version


Thanks for reminding me about this. I have found where this is being generated, and it appears to be a one line change. I am now working to determine how best to fix it.

- Tim Doyle | Talk to me 10:10, 15 March 2006 (CST)

Printable Version - Fixed

Robert: This has been solved. You may need to force a reload of the page to see the change.

- Tim Doyle | Talk to me 10:15, 15 March 2006 (CST)

Templates & Under Construction


I've noticed the new 'Under Construction' banner that you've been adding to the top of the page that you are currently working on. While my guess is that it's not that difficult to add and remove this from the page when you create and finish, I thought this might be a good time to explain a little more about templates. Templates are simply pages in the template namespace - that is - they start with "Template:". If you have content that you need to add to multiple pages, or content which you want to make easier to add to pages, then you can put this content in a template and then include that template on your page by adding {{TemplateName}} to your page(s).

For example... I just created a page named Template:Uc and placed in it the code that you have been adding to the top of your pages to mark them as being under construction. Now all you need to do is to add {{uc}} to the top of your page, which should be easier than typing or copying & pasting the full text.

- Tim Doyle | Talk to me 07:12, 16 March 2006 (CST)

SLC Trip


I got your messages and will look at the printable version issue again. I am currently making backups and will send additional information soon.

I am currently looking at the original Isleworth records and they are highly damaged at the bottom of the book. It is possible that the missing children and even perhaps John's marriage to Elinor are there, but we are unable to read the records.

I have made copies of many records and should have some great stuff to put up on the site.

- Tim Doyle | Talk to me 11:03, 21 March 2006 (CST)


Interesting... I've found two Elinors baptized during the right time period...

  • 31 (Nov?) 1597 Elinor Nichols daughter of (Henry?) Nichols
  • 2 Apr 1598 Elinor Baull daughter of Willyam Baull (Bull)

- Tim Doyle | Talk to me 11:17, 21 March 2006 (CST)

Bull / Baull


I seem to remember something about a Bull / Baull woman in the information that Paul reed and I were corresponding about. Could you check the file that I sent to you and see what the name of the woman was that ran the inn that the Christopher Marlowe was killed in?

Thank you!

- Tim Doyle | Talk to me 11:52, 21 March 2006 (CST)

A number of issues


This message is an attempt to catch up with a number of items that you have mentioned on my talk page...

  • Why you don't need a template for Under Construction: I understand completely - sounds as though you have a great system that's working for you. I didn't want to imply that you should use a template for this, just wanted to make sure that you knew that you could.
  • Backups: I am currently using the free software MySQL Administrator to back up the SQL databases containing our data. These backup files are then kept on my personal machine here. Since the WRG server is also in my home, the backups are not currently off-site, though I could certainly move them to some machine which is. I am also working to prepare a full system image of the server to reduce downtime should the server ever crash. In addition to the WRG databases, there would be a lot of additional infrastructure which would need to be set up in order to return the site to functionality. With an image, this would make all of that setup a breeze.
  • Printable version: I think I made some improvements, and it's actually looking very good in Firefox, but now that I look at it in Explorer, I still see some issues. If you could describe exactly what you're seeing, that would help me to make sure I am not missing something.
  • St. Mary Aldermary Changes: Thank you! With this format, there's no longer any questioning - everyone can see exactly what's in the register. Of course, this one only had 3 entries! The other ones will take a bit more to get in place, but I think it'll be worth it.

Now that you have had time to really use and to see the power of the wiki software, how well is it living up to your expectations and vision?


- Tim Doyle | Talk to me 18:47, 27 March 2006 (CST)

Isleworth Records


I can confirm that the Isleworth parish registers, as early as 1573 and probably earlier, start the year on March 21st, not January 1st. Although the original records do not indicate "1575/6", they do have the year starting on 3/21. Because of this, the date is listed as 26 Feb 1575, but to us would be considered 26 Feb 1576. Thus, I think the date should properly be listed as "26 Feb 1575[/6]"

- Tim Doyle | Talk to me 08:15, 28 March 2006 (CST)