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Eugene S. Whitney
Thank you for the information on my great great grandfather's family.
Caleb Whitney, son of Eli and Nancy
The Caleb Whitney in the 1860 census of Lake County is actually Caleb B. Whitney (1809-1891), son of Amaziah Whitney - the names of his wife and children match up. I am still working on finding Eli and Nancy's Caleb.
Bill
possible new info on whitney line
Robert, my user name is under JEFF R JENSEN. I listed my line to the whitney line and it looks like I might not have a link to the whitney family line from my line, but before I found this out the other night, I had been reviewing yours and Tim's research. I was trying to make sense and follow it through with my family group shhets. The following items may or may-not be useful, but I will share them with you. I was searching the index for Memorials of St. Margaret's church, Westminister comprising the parish registers, 1539-1600.......,under the Whitney name and Thomas area reads as follows. Th. C 1584,87 (2),88,90,92,94,99,1600,05,15,. I was matching the children with the christening dates, I noticed you added some to this list in the history of Whitney,Thomas(s1550-1637)with explanations, but you forgot to add 1615 Frances Whitney (May 11,1615 Chr at St. Margaret's)(Listed Frances Whitney daughter of Thomas). Not sure how when compiling this book that the indexers were able to link the children of this specific Thomas together, but 1615 is listed. While checking through all the names from 1615 to around 1637, which is the year of her father's death, she is not listed in father's will as you know. I found listed in burial section(DEC 7,1635 Frances ________.)This could be Thomas's Frances. Also in your Whitney, Thomas(s1550-1637) you list (2) Robert Whitney's 1 xi. Robert Whitney; bapt. 10 Nov 1605, St Mar.....Probably died young and 2 xiii Robert Whitney;b about 1610; m Mary Towers. You will see the index shows 1605. Could these Roberts be the same? I looked for burials in The register of St. Margaret's Westminster,Middlesex, 1600-1699 (942 B4ha v. 64,88,89 FHL British Books) but it lists (burials lost from March 1662-April 1664).Also 1 last item, while searching marriage records from 1615-1643 for a Francis Whitney(1599-1643) married to Elizabeth,you have stated, perhaps not far from 1625. I found listed under marriages (OCT 14,1630 Francis Whitly to Elizabeth Marsh) could this just be a "mispelling" and this is the correct Francis and Elizabeth? Did not happen to find any children christenings for any Francis in St. Margaret's from 1620-1643. Hope this information may he you in your compiling research group, if you agree with my observations.
Good Job on your past research efforts and publications
Jeff Jensen ([email protected])
Irish Whitneys of Newpass, co. Westmeath
Hello again Robert. I am sorry for making a bit of a mess of parts of your Irish Whitney (Newpass) section with my spasmodic addiitions etc. I changed the birth date of Col Thomas owing to the fact that he married in Dec 1669. This altered the page heading, so the page has now 'disappeared'! Can you rescue it?
The following is what Lyons "Grand Juries of Co Westmeath" (out of copyright) has to say about the Newpass family:
WHITNEY From: “The Grand Juries 0f the County Westmeath” by John Charles Lyons 1853 (online at askaboutireland.ie) George Boleyn, 1762 to 1777 ─ Thomas Shugborough, 1793 to 1827 NEWPASS Thomas Whitney, of Whitney in Herefordshire, was returned as a gentleman meriting, by his loyalty and suffering in the cause of Charles I., the honour of being a Knight of the Royal Oak. He possessed a large fortune at that period. His daughter Eleanor married Sir Henry Williams of Clifford Court, In Herefordshire. Sir Thomas Whitney, Knt., married and had a son, Thomas, who married Elizabeth daughter of William Cope of Icombe in Gloucestershire, (Grandson of Sir Anthony Cope, Bart., of Hanwell and Bramshill Park in Hants,) by whom he had issue. A son of Thomas Whitney came to Ireland during the Civil War, and his descendant, Colonel Whitney, settled in the county of Meath, and purchased the estate at Newpass in 1870. He had a grant of Derrydown and Rathowen in 1684. I find Thomas Whitney to an address of the Grand Jury of this County to King Charles II., 18th April, 1682, and his name on the magna panella of this County in 1703, “Thomas Whitney de Newpass ar,” Colonel Whitney married, first, Miss Boleyn, aunt to the first Viscount Wicklow, by whom he had issue: I Shugborough, who entered the army, and attained the rank of Colonel. He was severely wounded at the battle of Preston Pans, and killed at Falkirk. II Thomas, entered the Royal Navy, and was Captain and Commander of the Brittania man-of-war, at the taking of Porto Bello in the year 1739, and died in 1741. III Boleyn, adopted the law as his profession, and attained a seat on the Bench. He came this circuit in Lent 1754. He was a trustee in the will of Andrew Wilson of Piercefield, made in 1724, who left his estates to support the establishment at Wilson’s Hospital; he drew up Mr. Wilson’s will. He married, secondly, in1719, Miss Von Robert, a Dutch lady, by whom he had issue, and died in 1758. I Thomas Shugborough, of whom presently. II Catherine, married SirThomas Fetherston, Bart., of Ardagh House, Co Longford, M.P. for that county, by whom she had issue. III Boleyn, who died in the West Indies, unmarried. IV Isabella. V Elizabeth, married William Westby, of the Co Clare and of Wicklow. We now return to Thomas, the eldest son, called to the Bar. He married Miss Godley of Killegar, Co. Leitrim, served as the Sheriff in 1826, and died without issue in 1827.
The earlier Icomb connection sounds plausible but does not fit with the impessive records you have for this family. However, there may be a less direct connection.
Thanks Tom.
Newpass Whitney Family
Hello again Robert, thanks for getting back to me.
Sorry for getting a bit lost in the trees. Below are the first four generations of the Whitneys as I have them. Starting with Colonel Thomas Whitney, who I think may have been the Col Whitney in Derry during the 1689 siege, but no proof has turned up yet !
Descendants of: Col Thomas Whitney
1 Col Thomas Whitney b. ca 1644 d. 1712 m.(first) 20.12.1669 Maria Boleyn
m.(Second) Lady Ann Cole (née Spratt) b. ca 1655 d. 30.05.1716
2 Thomas Whitney b. _____ d. 1741
2 Jane Whitney b. 1676 m. 11.11.1697 Charles Fox d. 1747
3 Charles Fox b. _____ d. 1746 m. 1725 Jane West
4 Francis Fox b. 1727 d. 1779 m. (?1750 or 1759) Mary Edgeworth
2 Mary Whitney b. ca 1670 m. Thomas West d. 1715
3 John West
3 George West
4 Catherine West b. _____ d. bef 1745 m. 1741 Edward Crofton
4 James West
3 James West b. _____ d. 1726
3 Francis West b. _____ d. bef 1726
4 Thomas West
4 John West
4 Jane West m. 1725 Charles Fox d. 1746
m. 1750 Alexander Black
3 Alice West m. 1712 Rev Leonard Hodson
3 Elizabeth West b. _____ d. 1714 m. 1701 Abraham Pilkington d. 1712
2 Shuckburgh Whitney b. ca 1784 d. 05.04.1746 m. Margery Eyre
2 Boleyn Whitney b. ca 1686 d. 18.04.1758 m. 22.07.1719 Mary Van Bobbart
3 Henry Whitney (??)
3 George Boleyn Whitney b. 1734/35 d. 1806? m. 08.01.1763 Elizabeth Bayley
4 Catherine Whitney b. ca 1764 d. 1804 m. 09.06.1782 Sir Thomas Fetherston(haugh) MP
b. 1759 d. 19.07.1819
4 Thomas Shuckburgh Whitney b. ca 1768 d. 1827 m. unknown partner
m. 1802 Rose Henrietta Godley d. 1835
4 Isabella Whitney b. _____ d. 1822
4 Elizabeth Whitney b. ca 1770 d. c 1850 m. 28.08.1809 William Westby b. 18.06.1753
d. 05.11.1835
4 Boleyn Morris Whitney
3 Mary/Anne Whitney m. 28.06.1742 Thomas Lyster
4 Elizabeth Lyster m. Robert Robinson M.D.
2 Anna Whitney b. ca 1690 m. Rev Ambrose Upton
3 Francis Upton b. _____ d. 1786 m. unk. Burke
4 Ambrose Upton b. _____ d. 1790
4 Henry Upton
4 Anna Upton m. John Dwyer
4 Frances Upton
3 Maj. Ambrose Upton m. June 1768 Margaret Gledstanes d. 1804
3 Henry Upton m. 1764 Isabella Clarges
4 Rev. Shuckburgh Whitney Upton b. _____ d. 1807 m. 09.03.1795 Margaret Irwin d. 1836
4 Clarges Upton
4 Anna Upton m. 04.07.1785 William Ruxton
4 Helen Upton b. _____ d. 17.02.1800 m. 14.04.1795 Thomas Rothwell
2 Catherine Whitney m. ca 1715 Rev John Hatch b. 1680 d. 1719
3 Nicholas Hatch b. ca 1716
I hope that the above will enable you to fix some of the mess I made!
Below is a transcript from 'Lyons Grand Juries of Westmeath' of his section dealing with the Whitney Family. It would be great to find the correct line back to the Hereford family. Lyons version is at odds with what you have on your WRG website, but goes in the right direction!
WHITNEY From: “The Grand Juries 0f the County Westmeath” by John Charles Lyons 1853 (online at askaboutireland.ie) George Boleyn, 1762 to 1777 ─ Thomas Shugborough, 1793 to 1827 (Jurors TJ) NEWPASS Thomas Whitney, of Whitney in Herefordshire, was returned as a gentleman meriting, by his loyalty and suffering in the cause of Charles I., the honour of being a Knight of the Royal Oak. He possessed a large fortune at that period. His daughter Eleanor married Sir Henry Williams of Clifford Court, In Herefordshire. Sir Thomas Whitney, Knt., married and had a son, Thomas, who married Elizabeth daughter of William Cope of Icombe in Gloucestershire, (Grandson of Sir Anthony Cope, Bart., of Hanwell and Bramshill Park in Hants,) by whom he had issue. A son of Thomas Whitney came to Ireland during the Civil War, and his descendant, Colonel Whitney, settled in the county of Meath, and purchased the estate at Newpass in 1870. He had a grant of Derrydown and Rathowen in 1684. I find Thomas Whitney to an address of the Grand Jury of this County to King Charles II., 18th April, 1682, and his name on the magna panella of this County in 1703, “Thomas Whitney de Newpass ar,” Colonel Whitney married, first, Miss Boleyn, aunt to the first Viscount Wicklow, by whom he had issue: I Shugborough, who entered the army, and attained the rank of Colonel. He was severely wounded at the battle of Preston Pans, and killed at Falkirk. II Thomas, entered the Royal Navy, and was Captain and Commander of the Brittania man-of-war, at the taking of Porto Bello in the year 1739, and died in 1741. III Boleyn, adopted the law as his profession, and attained a seat on the Bench. He came this circuit in Lent 1754. He was atrustee in the will of Andrew Wilson of Piercefield, made in 1724, who left his estates to support the establishment at Wilson’s Hospital; he drew up Mr. Wilson’s will. He married, secondly, in1719, Miss Von Robert, a Dutch lady, by whom he had issue, and died in 1758. I Thomas Shugborough, of whom presently. II Catherine, married Sir Thomas Fetherston, Bart., of Ardagh House, Co Longford, M.P. for that county, by whom she had issue. III Boleyn, who died in the West Indies, unmarried. IV Isabella. V Elizabeth, married William Westby, of the Co Clare and of Wicklow. We now return to Thomas, the eldest son, called to the Bar. He married Miss Godley of Killegar, Co. Leitrim, served as the Sheriff in 1826, and died without issue in 1827.
I hope this helps. I will try to add some bits and pieces of detail at a later date. Do get back to me if any of the above descent does not gel. Many thanks again. Tom.
Irish Followup
Thanks Robert. Everything is now looking good on the Newpass Whitney front. I will go over it all more carefully later and will let you know if there is anything to add/fix/tweak. I will not risk making another mess of editing it myself!
There is one thing that intrigues me about Shuck/Shug/Burgh/Borough/Brough d. 1746. From the Betham summary of his father's will, he was the second son of the three. We know from the Trinity College Dublin Alumni roll that the youngest, Boleyn, was born ca 1686 - so Shuck was born earlier -- say 1684. This y.o.b. would have made him (at least) 62 when he was shot dead from his horse at the battle of Falkirk in April 1746! He was wounded the previous September at the battle of Preston Pans. Does this not seem an extraordinary age to be charging into battle against Bonnie Prince Charlie on a horse!!?
Your welcome inspiration on the ongoing Adair-Whitney mystery is a very realistic possibility. Owing to the unfortunately often short life of married women, men (with money!) often seemed to fit in two or three marriages - and accompanying families. That said, we already have a second wife for Col Thomas W. This might suggest that Maria (Boleyn) died ca 1700, and if so, unlikely that she had married twice, since divorce was uncommon. However, The Forster and Adair families certainly had roots in the Longford area, and some half/step connection/explanation may turn up eventually.
There is a later mysterious record regarding Thomas Shuckburgh Whitney (d. 1827). The IGI and 'Lloyd' trees on Ancesry suggest that he had a daughter called Catherine Whitney who married a man called Owen lloyd of Ballygarvey in Rathaspic Church in 1807 -- when Catherine was 17, and so b. ca 1790. TSW m. Rose Godley, his only known wife in 1802, and they had no children. If this Catherine was born to an earlier marriage of TSW (when he was ca 21), she would have been entitled to the Newpass estate when TSW died in 1827. Instead it went to his sieter Elizabeth (Westby) who had no children, and then to the succession of three Fetherston brothers -- Elizabeth Westby's grand-nephews. Tom.
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