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I inadvertently created two user ids and pages. Please delete the older ones, i.e., under CurtWhitney. Thank you. Curtwhitney

Census Progress

Tim:

I have finished extracting the censuses from 1790 through 1820. Heritage Quest Online doesn't yet have 1830 through 1850, nor 1930, on-line. I am not planning on starting 1860 through 1920, which they do have on-line, although I am willing to look up individual items.

I think I'll try to analyze the ones I've posted, creating links to and from family group records where they exist. Perhaps I'll create some family group records for families in the census which I can't identify.

- Robert - Talk to me 16:03, 27 July 2007 (CDT)

Census Link

Tim:

The link is to Nathaniel Whitney's page for Nathaniel's unmarried son Amos, who doesn't have a page of his own.

- Robert - Talk to me 15:03, 1 August 2007 (CDT)

1790 Census Images

Tim:

I am noticing that even the 1790 census images I am reading have confused Whitney with Whiting in several places. The handwriting in the images is clearly Whitney, but the individuals are surely Whiting men. For an example, consider "John Lake Whitney", Shrewsbury, MA, page 544. The image is crystal clear, and the reading is unmistakable. I can't find anyone by that name, but there was definitely a John Lake Whiting in the Shrewsbury VRs, who m. 27 Aug 1782, Olive Wyman, and recorded two children there.

I can only conclude that the pages of which we are seeing images are copies of some originals, now lost, and that the unknown copyists made the errors. The fact that some townships have their entries alphabetized by last name initial supports the hypothesis of a copying (and rearranging) at some point. I confess that I was not aware of this.

Additionally, there could be indexing errors. I found one example where the index showed Whittne, one of our variant spellings, but the image showed Whitten, a different family. There were other kinds of errors, too.

This means that even the images we are using are not primary sources. That has some unfortunate consequences. One is that we may have to go through the indices and images again for the Whiting surname, looking for stray Whitney individuals! Sorting them out from the real Whitings is a task I wouldn't look forward to! It could involve compiling a family tree of the three Whiting families (descendants of Samuel, Nathaniel, and William Whiting, immigrants) down to 1790. This is not to mention the Whiton or Whitten families.

I know you have encountered the same phenomenon with one of your own Whitney ancestors, listed in the census as Whiting.

- Robert - Talk to me 09:27, 2 August 2007 (CDT)

1790 Heads

Tim:

Thanks for creating the list you did. It should be very helpful, however, it must be incomplete, because the Henry descendants have only been carried down to the fifth generation. There will be some sixth generation ones who would qualify but don't yet have family group records. I have already had to create such a page for Sherwood⁶ Whitney to accommodate one census entry from Vermont, no doubt there will be more from New York, and I may have missed some from Connecticut, Massachusetts, and Vermont.

I could go through the sixth generation from Phoenix and create pages I think would qualify, and then add them to your list. Probably I should do that next before continuing with the 1790 links.

If you'd like to check off the ones on your list we have identified, that would be good. You could add the place we found them, with a link to the appropriate 1790/91 census extract. I think this would be a great addition to our suite of census pages, with similar ones for each census year. For the time being, I don't see doing more that just 1790/91, but certainly we would want to have a similar thing for 1800 through 1820, at least. With Heritage Quest Online, I can do searches for those years by first name only, which could turn up some missing folks hiding under Whiting or other (mis-)spellings.

What do you think about creating a Research: namespace for this and other pages we are using for that kind of purpose?

By the way, do you have any idea who Family:Whitney, Joshua (c1746-1816) could be? All of the Joshua Whitney men I have born in the 1740s seem to be otherwise accounted for. Do we have any DNA evidence from descendants of Calvin or Haynes to point us anywhere?

- Robert - Talk to me 09:39, 5 August 2007 (CDT)

Localities

Tim:

Agreed that the Localities page should be as you suggest. That makes a good deal of work making sure that all pages are properly categorized, but worth it in the long run.

- Robert - Talk to me 10:37, 9 August 2007 (CDT)

Census Volunteers

Tim:

I see that we have a new volunteer to help with census work, Carol Whitney Cook. I'll be glad to ask her if she has access to Ancestry.com, to make the new indexes and extractions from the 1830, 1840, and 1850 censuses, with your approval. Somehow we should split that work up between her and Andaleen Whitney. If you prefer, you can organize the two of them and yourself to do that. I'm plenty busy identifying the census entries with family groups, and then reformatting the family group pages encountered in the process.

- Robert - Talk to me 10:37, 9 August 2007 (CDT)

Locality Categories

Tim:

It sounds like you're doing a good thing. I approve. I hope that, when you find a misspelling, you either manually correct it on the appropriate page(s), or set the robot to do that, too. Also be on the look-out for erroneous county assignments. It could be, for example, that Charlestown would be listed under both Suffolk and Middlesex Counties, MA, when only Middlesex is correct.

- Robert - Talk to me 11:15, 9 August 2007 (CDT)

Killlingly 1790 Census

Tim:

If you give me the page number, I can look at Heritage Quest Online to see if they have the image of that page for Cornelius Whiting. FamilySearch.org lists only one Cornelius Whiting, of Wrentham, MA, who died as an infant, and the birth of the Cornelius Whitney in question, erroneously listed under Whiting:

   CORNEULIUS WHITING
       Male

 Event(s):
       Birth:  05 JUL 1749    Killingly Twp, Windham, Connecticut
       Christening:
       Death:
       Burial:

 Parents:
       Father:  MATETHYAS WHITING
       Mother:  ALLIS

I conclude that any records for a Cornelius Whiting at this time period, and especially in this place, must refer to this Cornelius Whitney instead.

- Robert - Talk to me 10:13, 10 August 2007 (CDT)

Hi Tim - thanks for the pointing me in Al's direction. I stumbled across him last night and we have been in contact. Great web site - thanks

Odd Error

Tim:

I noticed that on Archive:The Whitney Family of Connecticut, page 698 at the bottom, the "Next Page" link is not working, and I can't figure out why. Can you?

- Robert L. Ward- Talk to me 12:15, 14 August 2007 (CDT)

DNA

Tim I am still learning how to use the wiki so may not have replied to your message about someone of Joshua's lineage contributing. I have since then completed a DNA test and the results are posted.

I also have some information about my lineage beyond what is in Pierce. How do I post it on the appropriate page?

Delbert Edward Whitney & Vernon Delbert Whitney heritage

Thank you for the information. I do not know how to find the web site that has this family heritage. Can you help me. I really appreciate it. Bobbie Whitney Van Meter

MA Tax Lists

Tim:

Those look very interesting. It would be even better if the microfilms were available locally, and/or were indexed. They could answer some of our questions about when heads of households died or moved from one location to another. They could be especially valuable for Maine, where many vital records are missing.

- Robert - Talk to me 12:24, 20 August 2007 (CDT)

Potentials for 1800

Tim:

I used TMG to create a list of possible heads of household for 1800 from my databases. I found a much longer list than the one on the web page. Most of them would be under the category "Probably dead". Many of them would also be on a similar list for 1790. As you have no doubt noticed, I have been creating family group records for some families that didn't already have one. My new list includes those and quite a few others. Obviously, I have a lot of work to do! Do you want me to add names to the web page for potentials in 1790/1800, and create their pages, even if they are probably dead?

- Robert L. Ward - Talk to me 21:05, 20 August 2007 (CDT)

I have added to the web page the names beginning with A from my list. You see that there are several, and may extrapolate to the other letters of the alphabet.

- Robert L. Ward - Talk to me 18:09, 22 August 2007 (CDT)

Census Identification Project

Tim:

Yes, it's worthwhile. If nothing else, we are finding and correcting lots of errors in the indexes and in the "original" images which might baffle other researchers. It might be hard for someone to find Darling Whitney hiding among the Whiteman entries, Elnathan Whitney filed under Elenor, or Isaiah listed as Israel.

We are also tracing migrations of families from place to place. On this point, the more years we do this for, the more benefits to the web site and the users of it.

How shall we get transcriptions of the 1830 census?

- Robert - Talk to me 18:33, 22 August 2007 (CDT)

1800 Census, Boston, MA

Tim:

FYI: The 1800 Census of Boston no longer exists. We'll have missed some folks living there. Also parts of Rockingham and Strafford Cos., NH, are gone, and York Co., ME, is incomplete.

- Robert - Talk to me 13:21, 24 August 2007 (CDT)

Thanks Tim for the edit tips...it looks much better now.

Carol

Uploading photos

I have tried to add photo to photo list but don't seem to be able to do so...the photo is in my edits section...Help

1771 Tax List

Tim:

I found on-line the preface to The Massachusetts Tax Valuation List of 1771. Among other things, it reveals that roughly half of the list is lost. Apparently Watertown was among the lost part. Obviously any people who "should" appear and don't may have been on other parts no longer extant.

I tried hard to capture alternate spellings of the surname, except I didn't mess with the Whitings. This was a computer typeface, so I didn't have to read the handwriting, but the transcribers did. Furthermore, if the "originals" were actually copies, as we found with the census, there is a further chance for error.

I was gratified to find my Gershom⁴ Whitney in Ware, MA, and learned much about his household. His father Joshua³ must have died just before the list was made, but his widow doesn't appear. Apparently he disposed of his estate earlier, and she was living with relatives, possibly Gershom himself.

- Robert - Talk to me 06:28, 31 August 2007 (CDT)

Doctor John

Tim:

It is obvious that Dr. John⁴ Whitney moved around a lot. All is as I believe to be correct, with the exception of his son Nathaniel⁵. See Archive:NEHGR, Volume 79 for him. The date of marriage and the dates of birth and baptism of the other children make it hard to place him among them. I suppose it's possible that Dr. John either had two wives at the same time, one in Eastham and one in Nantucket/York, or else he fathered a child out of wedlock by Margaret, and then married her later. Another possibility is that Seth, of whom we have no further record beyond his birth, was renamed Nathaniel. Another possibility is that the guardianship record is faulty, and got the name of the younger son wrong.

I don't know how to reconcile the records. I tried to fit Nathaniel in in 1744, but that's obviously a problem.

- Robert - Talk to me - 06:48, 31 August 2007 (CDT)

1771 Tax List, II

Tim:

Good job on the tax list! I did try to identify the missing 1771 men:

• "Two men named Charles." Got them.
• "Three men named John." Got the one in Gorham, ME. The two nonresidents could be anyone from, say, Watertown. I actually have five different candidates for these two, and no way to tell which they might be.
• "Three men named Moses. Note that the Moses in Gorham could be either of two men." Got the one in New Salem. The one in Gorham I believe I have right. The other was probably in Falmouth in 1771. The Chesterfield man seems to be young, but I can't place him, although I have a few candidates.
• "Three men named Samuel." Got them.
• "Two individuals with no name (-----)." I really can't figure out how to identify these. Probably there's a better chance with the widow from Boston, but still not good.

As for me, I have finished the 1800 Census Potential Heads list, and am also faced with many unidentified entries in that census. I am still working on them, but there will be quite a few that I won't know.

- Robert - Talk to me 19:49, 1 September 2007 (CDT)

Page Moves

Tim:

Your idea of using a bot to do this kind of work is excellent. Recall that sometimes more than one link to the same page can be found on one page, so your bot should take that into account.

- Robert - Talk to me 09:07, 4 September 2007 (CDT)

It should also remove the line from the renamed page which calls the rename template.

- Robert - Talk to me 13:16, 4 September 2007 (CDT)

Jabez Whitney of Orange

Tim:

My guess is that the "Ly" Whitney from the Jones Cemetery is a reading of "[SAL]LY" Whitney on a broken or eroded gravestone. That doesn't explain the census records, but there are many alternative explanations of those.

- Robert - Talk to me 10:34, 5 September 2007 (CDT)

Sally versus Ly

Tim:

The fact that the town record of death and the cemetery record from her stone differ by exactly 1 year and 1 day makes me believe that the two refer to the same event, with recording variations. I oppose splitting the two. You could add a section under "Notes" explaining the alternate theories. I would not oppose that.

- Robert - Talk to me 10:55, 5 September 2007 (CDT)

Pierce Conversion Project

Tim:

I see that there are two files with that as part of the title which have a huge number of links each. I have had to patrol many edits made on them by the Rename Bot, to no apparent benefit. Since the project is over, and the only other pages that link to this group are your and my User_talk pages, it seems we could delete them. Alternatively, we could edit them severely, cutting down drastically on the links to Family pages. Thoughts?

- Robert - Talk to me 14:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)

Hello Cousin

So far I have been able to trace my Whitney lineage to Zachariah, but not sure how he ties in exactly to John Whitney. I don't have a lot of information on my Whitney side as of yet, although I am sure I'll find more. I've been doing my family tree for almost a year now and still on the Gove side...which is on my mother's father's side. Have done almost nothing on my father's side, or my mother's mother's side of the family yet! It's quite a long, exhaustive, but utterly fascinating and fun process! I'm hoping to learn all I can. Rick

Very cool....I just noticed that about the same time that your second message came in. That is so very fascinating! Every time I find out something new I get even more excited. Thanks for pointing it out to me!

Descendant List

Tim:

The idea is interesting, but I foresee a problem. On what pages would you put (for example) your name? You put it only on Erastus's page, but you could have put it on all the pages for your direct ancestors.

If you did that, John¹ Whitney's page would have a very long list. That would be bad, in my opinion.

If you didn't do that, you'd have to make an executive decision on which pages to put your name and which not. I don't think that that's something a bot could do, so a person would have to be involved in every such decision. That makes the work prohibitive.

- Robert - Talk to me 14:46, 10 September 2007 (CDT)

Samuel of Woodbury

Tim:

Phoenix, p. 84, places Samuel Whitney of Woodbury, who m. Sarah -----, as a child of Elijah and Rebecca (Seymour) Whitney, and a descendant of Henry¹. Sandiford places him as a child of Enoch and Thankful (Parke) Whitney, and a descendant of John¹. I have no information which corroborates or contradicts either theory. How should we handle this?

- Robert - Talk to me 18:11, 11 September 2007 (CDT)

Census

Hi Tim - I've changed my state to Ohio. Glad I got the message as I'm on my way to the library, WVU has ancestry.library edition, I'm going to use that to generate my list and will then use Heritage Quest to retrieve info. You can zap Iowa. Thanks much.

Carol

Robot

I'm using Internet Explorer. I added an extra line between the individual in 1880 Census Extract, Alabama and that separated the individuals again. Before, they were all appearing on one very long line that wrapped around. --Andaleen 16:26, 13 September 2007 (CDT)

Disambiguation Pages

Tim:

I notice on Wikipedia they make use of "disambiguation pages", especially for various people with the same name. That could be a good idea for us, I think, because we have so many groups of people with the same name. Suppose I'm looking for a Samuel Whitney, but I don't know his birth and death years. If I could go to a disambiguation page named "Samuel Whitney", and there find a list of all the ones we know, with links to the appropriate family group records, this could be very useful. Each entry on that page could give a little more information on the individual to help the selection process. We could cross-reference nicknames, e.g., the page for "Mary Whitney" could say "See also Molly Whitney and Polly Whitney," and vice versa. Thoughts?

- Robert - Talk to me 08:19, 15 September 2007 (CDT)

Children Without Their Own Pages

Tim:

It seems to me, that if you can generate the disambiguation pages automatically, you could also program a bot to do the following:

1. Go through the whole Family: namespace, picking out pages of Whitney males.
2. On each page, look for a table immediately following a line beginning with "Child of " or "Children of ".
3. Collect the names of children from the table, ignoring those whose names are links.
4. Collect the name of the child and the name of the page on which it appears.
5. Create a line of the form "* Whitney, XXXXX, child of [[Family:Whitney, XXXXX (XXXX-XXXX)|Whitney, XXXXX (XXXX-XXXX)]]".
6. Sort the list by given name, then by birth year of the father.
7. Append the names to the disambiguation pages.

Perhaps you don't want to do this. Perhaps some variant of the above would be better.

Thoughts?

- Robert - Talk to me 17:46, 16 September 2007 (CDT)

data

Hi Tim - I have posted some 1830 Ohio census records....it doesn't quite look like it should. If you give me some hints I will edit the page so that it appears as it should. Thanks much.

Carol

Two Asa Whitneys

Tim:

I have been trying to place the Asa Whitney who appears in the 1800 Census at Lisle, Tioga Co., NY. His age is over 45, so he must have been born before 1755. There are three such persons of which I am aware who are reasonable candidates, all of the fifth generation from John¹:

1. Family:Whitney, Asa (1743-1803)
2. Family:Whitney, Asa (1745-a1810)
3. Asa, son of Enoch Whitney, b. 10 Jul 1742, Preston, CT.

I concur with the identification of the first. It is the second who I believe is confused with the third.

Number 2 was born in Killingly, and we find him in the censuses of 1790, 1800, and 1810 in Killingly. The fact that his children were allegedly born in Cornwall seems anomalous. I think Number 2 remained in Killingly, married, and had children born there, but not recorded.

Number 3 was born in Preston, but when he was young, his father moved to Kent. His brothers lived in Washington and Warren, CT. All these places are in Litchfield Co., as is Cornwall. I think it was Number 3 who married Abigail Brownson and had the two children in Cornwall.

Furthermore, it must have been Number 3 who appears in Lisle in 1800, since Number 2 and Number 1 are both accounted for.

Do you concur?

- Robert - Talk to me 19:27, 16 September 2007 (CDT)

Pierce Errors Continuing

Tim:

I add to the Pierce Errors page whenever I find an error that I can document. Of the two confused Asa Whitney individuals, Enoch's son was completely missed by Pierce. Matthias's son already has a correction attached to his name, but I need to fix that since it really applies to Enoch's son.

I was aware of my former e-mail message, which applies, but is not helpful in straightening out the lineages. Thanks for mentioning it, however. I also found on-line a history of Triangle, NY, which says that Asa Whitney was one of the early settlers there. This must be the one in Lisle in 1800. He's there in 1820, but I can't find him in 1810. It may be that Lisle is missing from the 1810 schedules, since I can't find anyone in that Town.

On checking for this possibility, I found the following book: The Census Book, by William Dollarhide. It explains about the copying, recopying, and loss of various census record groups. I found it enlightening.

By the way, this is an example of something we discovered because of the Census Identification Project.

- Robert - Talk to me 21:14, 16 September 2007 (CDT)

Hi Tim - Whew, I've had quite a time trying to get the correct spacing between individuals....hope you can help. I have stopped editing so you can do your thing. Thanks.

Carol

Census

Hi Tim - I see you've completed your edit. Now I can't seem to find a way to add spaces between the individuals! Should I recopy my info from word? I'm also going back to the library to look up the three individuals in bold, the pages didn't copy or aren't readable in Heritage Quest. I'm also signing up to do Pennsylvania. Thanks. Carol

Census

Internet Explorer...not sure what version.

Fixing Broken Links

Tim:

You may have noticed that I have been trying to fix a lot of broken links. I found a page with which I cannot deal, and which contains several: Template talk:Divbox. Can you help?

- Robert - Talk to me 13:59, 17 September 2007 (CDT)

Josiah Corrections?

Tim:

I was looking at the Lancaster Vital Records, and found the marriage of Elisabeth Whetney and Josiah Whetney on 24 Apr 1733. Very soon thereafter, I visited the page of Isaiah Whitney, and saw that he married one Elizabeth Whitney "about 1733", and had first child born 23 Jan 1733/4, almost exactly nine months later.

Is there any reason to doubt that the marriage record is in error, and the groom wasn't Josiah, but Isaiah?

There is also a problem with Josiah Whitney "late of Dedham" marrying Elizabeth Grant. It seems that this is another error, this time in the Weston vital records. The groom was actually Josiah³ Whiting, born 30 May 1701, Dedham, MA, son of Samuel² and Sarah (Metcalf) Whiting [Nathaniel¹]. They had seven children recorded in Weston, including two recorded as "Whitney" and five as "Whiting".

Do you agree, and should I go ahead with making appropriate changes?

- Robert - Talk to me 22:36, 17 September 2007 (CDT)

Dublin, NH, and Stamford, VT

Tim:

I can't identify any of the Whitneys you list in Dublin. The only Bascom Whitney I know of was only 11 years old at the time of this warning-out. It could be an otherwise unknown uncle of him, but otherwise I'm clueless.

Are you going to add the extracts from the history book to our Extracts?

Yes, Isaac of Stamford could well be who you suggest, but I have nothing to add to the discussion.

- Robert - Talk to me 07:47, 19 September 2007 (CDT)

Isaac (again)

Tim:

Sure, go ahead. Also explain the logic behind the connection, please.

- Robert - Talk to me 08:25, 19 September 2007 (CDT)

Samuel of Halifax Co., NC, 1790

Tim:

User:Tara_767 left me this message: User_talk:Rlward#1790_Census. We don't have a page for either him or his father, I believe. See, however, Michael Ray Whitney's page about him.

- Robert - Talk to me 19:25, 19 September 2007 (CDT)

Family Pages

Tim,

I tried to go in and correct the date formatting errors I had made, but it looks like you have already changed most of them. Thank you.

Trouble with Patrolling

Tim:

I can't patrol this file: Archive:1880 Census Index, Illinois. I don't know what the problem might be.

- Robert - Talk to me 18:26, 23 September 2007 (CDT)

I have a plethora...

of information regarding the William Whitney line in Louisiana. I'm sure you noticed that I'm not what one could consider "well versed" at adding it to this site (grin). Cynthia Daigle, a distant cousin of mine by marriage, also forwarded an email sometime back that stated:

email excerpt from Alicia, July 2006 my Dad who is 93 in Oct. submitted his DNA to a group that has a data pool. The results : we are related to the John & Elenor Whitney from Mass. It still leaves about 100 years to get to them........our broken link is Ky.

I phoned Patricia Whitney Gravois today in the hope that she has the missing marraige certificate information for William Whitney and Sara Compton, but from what I understand William's parents weren't listed anyway.

If I were to take the time to put all of the South Lousiana Records by Father Hebert, as well as the family information that I have "from family", would you like me to send it to you? That way you can enter it into this website much more quickly, and much more professionally than I. If no, no biggie, I'll get around to doing it in an effort to lend a hand to others, but I feel fairly certain you'll be traipsing along behind me, cleaning up my messes.

Thank you for assisting in the creation of this site. While it didn't help me, as others apparently haven't gotten past the same brick wall, it certainly "will" help when, if ever, we figure out that missing century.

Chris Jarvis

Census

How do you go in and add to the 1830 Census Indexes? I have added data, but is there a template to make the data look uniform? Thanks.

Tara

"Missing" Templates

Tim:

I think your templates such as "Missing1790" could all be combined into a one template called, say, "Missing", and make it such that you pass the year YYYY as a parameter, and it creates the string

"* YYYY: not found."

Then you would just call {{Missing|1790}} for example.

- Robert - Talk to me 12:39, 28 September 2007 (CDT)

Genealogy.DunnNet.com

I had to smile. The page you directed me to with William John & Sarah Ellen (Yazel) Whitney. Yep. I've seen it many many times. William went by the name John and they were my GG Grandparents and my Grandmother was a Whitney. The web site is my own :) Thanks for the try though. I appreciate that people are checking it out and hopefully gaining some insight to their own research. I spend a large percentage of my time in census records and that was one of the reasons i dropped by here today. Thanks again. and Happy Hunting. Herb Dunn

Martha/Matilda

Tim,

Jeanne and I have been discussing this issue. All census records that we are able to find show Matilda to be Martha. We have not been able to locate Martha Red, but it may be possible that Martha Red and Martha Buckhalter are the same Martha. I am still working on it. I will re-check the sources and let you know. Thank you for reminding me to check on it.

Tara_767

Martha/Matilda

Tim,

I have checked census records with Wyley Buckhalter, note spelling, of Barnwell 1850 and she is listed as Martha. They do have a daughter named Matilda and it is very likely that the census taker could have been confused and noted her as Martha instead of Matilda. It could also be possible that both Marthas exist and one is the daughter of Macon and the other may be the daughter of Malcolm. At this point I will really need to check other documentation to be sure. Thanks.

tara_767

changing username/login

Hello Tim,

Thank you for the welcome and it would be grand if you could match my username to the page. I have average computer skills so sometimes don't know what I'm doing.

Thank you for your help, Lisbeth

you wrote.....

Welcome to the site!

I see that you tried to move one of your pages to make it look better. Since these pages are ties to your username here, they have to stay the same. I can, however, change your username/login here to match that if you'd like.

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 15:31, 1 October 2007 (CDT)

Dates

These are census dates. The marriage dates came from Ancestry. Thanks.

tara_767

Hiram

Tim,

I have not finished editing Hiram yet. There will be several more pages that will be added before I am finished. I just got tired last night before I finished. I'll add the rest tonight. Thanks.

tara_767

Introduction Page Error, etc.

Tim:

At the bottom of Discussion Forum - User Introductions there is a link labeled "Introduce Yourself!". Clicking on it gives a blank page. This must be an error.

Also I have found three pages which need content:

• WRG:Privacy policy
• WRG:General disclaimer
• Archive:Whitney and Clifford Manuscript, 316

- Robert - Talk to me 15:30, 8 October 2007 (CDT)

Fred

Tim:

I can't identify him. The vital records of Boston 1810-1840 are no longer extant, which makes it difficult, and he's not in Pierce, nor in FamilySearch.org. My best guess is that, since his second son was named Henry, he might be one of the three sons under 10 of Henry Whitney in the 1820 Census of Boston, 9th ward. Of course, I don't know who that Henry was, either!

Did you see this web page?

- Robert - Talk to me 08:39, 12 October 2007 (CDT)

Thomas of Maryland

Tim,

I have not seen this family before. In Kentucky there are several men who are considered "Clothiers" by occupation so that is something to look into, but as of right now, I am not familiar with this gentleman.

Tara_767

New Wiki

Tim:

Have you seen this?

http://www.familysearchwiki.org/

- Robert - Talk to me 12:27, 17 October 2007 (CDT)

Hi Tim:

I'm new to this Whitney clan and just signed on. I have a question about DNA testing as there appear to be many different firms performing this...

I have been working a bit with the organizer of this page: http://www.foskett-genealogy.co.uk/ and she arranged for my Foskett cousin to submit DNA to dnaheritage.com

I'm wondering if you have surveyed the various companies. Who are the leaders. If dnaheritage is a bit player I suspect it's possible that DNA submitted with one firm might not match up with dna that appears in a larger firm's database.

Thanks. tombrown 'at' yahoo.com

Hi Tim - Looked at some of the 1830 census project states that have been completed, I see there is some inconsistency. I am making mine three lines long, because I have found some variations in the names, I am using the second line to clarify those differences. I see someone numbered the Kentucky folks and there is a header in one of the states I did. Because I am doing my lists in a word document and then copying to WRG I can make changes, if necessary, to previous records. I just posted New Hampshire, would you mind taking a peek to see if it looks okay? Thanks much.

Carol

Nameless Children

Tim:

I agree: (son), (daughter), or (child). I assume a bot can do the changes.

- Robert - Talk to me 17:59, 29 October 2007 (CDT)

Total Whitneys

Tim:

One should be able to combine the data from How many Whitneys? with fertility and life expectancy data, and come up with a figure for total number of Whitneys in a given window of time (say 1600-1900). I don't know where to obtain such data. I call to your attention to this interesting web site: How many people have ever lived? Keyfitz's calculation updated. The assumptions there are quite wrong, partly because life spans have increased during the time frame in question, but such a technique could be the start of such an investigation.

- Robert - Talk to me 05:33, 30 October 2007 (CDT)

Access Issue

Tim:

I think the access issue had to do with trying to patrol the changes you made to User:Tdoyle/Sandbox18. Attempting to do that seems to have hung my browser, due to its large size. Killing the window and starting over, and using the procedure you suggested for patrolling large pages was successful in both the patrolling and the un-hanging of the browser. I'll have to keep that in mind next time!

- Robert - Talk to me 05:37, 30 October 2007 (CDT)

Big Census Extracts

Tim:

I agree that breaking the page up is a good idea. With 775 households in Massachusetts in 1860, including 275 in Worcester County alone, it really is too big. I'll proceed along those lines now.

- Robert - Talk to me 14:55, 4 November 2007 (CST)

Liz Fleming's Whitney family

Thank you very much. This is incredibly helpful. I printed everything up so I can enjoy it at home tonight after work. (I don't have a computer at home). My ancestors are definitely Henry and Fanny Miller Whitney and Charles Whitney and Malvina Orr. I have information from the Whitney Bible at home and they are all mentioned in it. Do you think anyone would be interested in knowing about our line from Ada Whitney to present? I have a lot of that information. Thanks again for your help. Everything about these people--who they were and what they did is fascinating to me. Liz

Family Info

That would be fine. I can bring my information to work next week and transcribe it. I am not very computer literate. Is there a special format or is it ok to just send it to you via this route? I also got to meet my mom's cousin, Ralph Whitney in September and he sent me additional information about the descendants of Dora Wurst Whitney and and Ora Ralph Whitney. Thanks again! Liz

Census Index

Tim:

There are two ways to organize the census pages: by year, and by location. We could actually do both.

• On the main page, list the years, with links to year pages, and the locations, with links to location pages.
• On each year page, list the locations for that year (and the potential heads, where appropriate), with links. There should be links to the next and the previous years.
• On each location page, list the years for that location, with links. There could be links to neighboring locations.
• Have a page for each year and each location, with links to the index and the extracts. There could be links to next and previous years for that location, and neighboring locations for that year.
• As now, the index pages are linked to the extract pages, the extract pages to the family group records and vice versa.

Thoughts?

- Robert - Talk to me 11:41, 11 November 2007 (CST)

Census Reorganization

Tim:

We could get rid of the grid, or we could keep it if you like it. If we kept it, each grid entry should be a link not to the census index page, but to the location/year page.

I'm not sure how we should handle the breadcrumbs for pages which properly belong to two parents.

- Robert - Talk to me 21:32, 11 November 2007 (CST)

Samuel of Jamaica, VT

Tim:

Your analysis is excellent. I have a candidate for Samuel Whitney of Jamaica, VT: check out Family:Whitney, Aaron (1734-a1791), who lived in Jamaica. Notice Samuel named a son Aaron, too.

This looks like another error in Pierce.

- Robert - Talk to me 22:09, 13 November 2007 (CST)

James Whitney m. Lura Johnson

Tim:

I've been looking at Family:Whitney, James (1811-1856), and Archive:Wrentham, Massachusetts, Vital Records. What do you think about identifying the two Jameses, at least tentatively, even though their birth dates differ by two days? Benjamin who m. Hepzibah Moore was said to have settled in New York (see Family:Whitney, James (1755-1800)), but I haven't been able to pinpoint his location there.

Both of James's sons I found in the 1880 Census, but both left father's birthplace blank! His daughter Mary I didn't find.

- Robert - Talk to me 15:43, 17 November 2007 (CST)

Duplicates on "Wanted Pages"

Tim:

I went to "Special Pages" and then "Wanted Pages". I found several duplicates on that list, to my surprise. For example, I found

  315. Family:Whitney, Anna (1730-1785) ‎(2 links)
 1007. Family:Whitney, Anna (1730-1785) ‎(2 links)

There were quite a few others, too. This seems like a bug to me.

- Robert - Talk to me 17:57, 18 November 2007 (CST)

Samuel of Maugerville

Tim:

See: <http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/whitney/2001-02/0981345948>. Apparently Pierce is wrong again. By the way "Maugerville" is pronounced as if it were "Majorville".

- Robert - Talk to me 12:40, 21 November 2007 (CST)

Great!

Just going through my old geneology book to create our page! Don't worry, I'll go back through and update the gaps, I just want to get it done before family come over for thanksgiving!

thanks

I deleted my personal information, but do you prefer to have living persons pages completely erased? I really don't mind if my lineage is shown to the public.

How does it look?

How does it look? I have somemore updates that I will recieve from my grandmother tomorrow and I will continue to update it over the break.

Patrol Edit

Tim:

The removed material was restored by this edit: [1]. Thanks for your vigilance, however!

- Robert - Talk to me 14:02, 26 November 2007 (CST)

Merging FGR Format Pages

Tim:

I've attempted to merge Family Group Page Format Standards into Family Group Record Format. Please review my attempt carefully, and make any changes you think appropriate. When you are satisfied, please delete the former, redirecting links from it to the latter.

Actually, the page is over-long, and begs to be split into four: the example, the general formats, the specific items, and using the form or the templates.

I especially wish that there were a simpler, more direct way of using the two templates. I know we had such a way with one of them before the form was created.

- Robert - Talk to me 07:05, 3 December 2007 (CST)

James Whitney of Moriah, NY

Tim:

I definitely agree that we have a match with James, son of Benjamin and Hepzibah (Moore) Whitney and James, with wife Susan (not Lura) Johnson. Go ahead and take out the tentative language on both pages, and in the Notes section explain the logic of the identification.

- Robert - Talk to me 05:24, 5 December 2007 (CST)

Samuel of Seneca, NY

Tim:

I fixed the baptism location. Here is another candidate for him. See Family:Whitney, Joshua (1754-a1794). This one is more closely approximating his estimated age, and we don't know a whole lot about Joshua's family.

- Robert - Talk to me 15:56, 8 December 2007 (CST)

Ads.

Tim,

I can't help much with this. Those minutes are too abbreviated for me to reconstruct what matters they refer to. Your guess is as good as mine.

I did find this page: http://www.historiccourtrecords.org/extracts.stm#remarks. It says that "ads." means "adverse". I don't know what this implies. Perhaps it is an action where each party sues the other, as opposed to versus, where one sues the other.

- Robert - Talk to me 10:55, 19 December 2007 (CST)

1810 Progress

Tim,

I've reached the end of the 1810 part of the Census Identification Project. I am disappointed at the number of unidentified census entries, and the number of missing households expected to appear. Any assistance you can offer would be most welcome.

- Robert - Talk to me 17:53, 22 December 2007 (CST)

New to WRG

Hi Tim, My name is Patty Whitney and I am going by the user name Patty Whitney Gravois. Just wanted to check in and say hello. You really have done a wonderful job with this site. I've been lurking for years. I'm trying to find Chris Jarvis, who has written to you before. She called me a few months ago but her phone number was accidentally deleted from my answering machine before I could get it down. I've been trying to find her email on the site but am having trouble doing so. Would you be so kind as to notify her that I am trying to reach her and would she please re-call me in Louisiana or email me? Thank you. Patty.

Sandys Tribe

Tim:

There is no apostrophe in Sandys Tribe, Bermuda.

- Robert - Talk to me 12:29, 1 January 2008 (CST)

James Whitney from Wales

Hi Tim Thanks for your info and speedy reply. I'm new at this so I hope my page looks OK. I have a few questions from your census information: How did you connect James with David? Was it via John? There is a David Whitney for 1841 and another for 1871, they don't have the same children listed and Louisa age does not match up ... I'm a little confused here. Is there a way I can find out what happened to Ernest brothers? (Harold, Arthur and John). Again thank you for your reply the info has been a great gain in connecting our Whitney tree. --Whitner 18:21, 10 January 2008 (CST)

Mary Whitney Children

Tim:

Check out the name disambiguation page Mary Whitney. There is only one child Mary Whitney without her own page! This has got to be wrong. I'm looking for a Mary Whitney born 1785, of which there should be some candidates.

- Robert - Talk to me 07:32, 8 January 2008 (CST)

Search Question

Tim:

How would one search for a widow Mary (-----) Whitney, born 1785, who remarried in 1845? I can't think of any useful way to proceed.

- Robert - Talk to me 10:01, 9 January 2008 (CST)

Strays

Tim:

What do you think of making a page listing stray Whitney individuals whom we cannot connect to any others? That would make unnecessary a lot of pages without much information on them. Each entry could link to the source of the data. This would serve a similar function to our currently existing Most Wanted Whitneys pages. There are quite a few among the medieval Whitney families, but even more in the Massachusetts town vital records, and also in the 1800 and 1810 censuses. Thoughts?

- Robert - Talk to me 15:15, 10 January 2008 (CST)

Re: Joseph Whitney and George Washington Whitney

Tim,

I maintain a tree on Ancestry (named FIELD) which includes the Whitney line, etc. My grandfather, Charles Whitney, back in the '80s before he passed away, took some time to chart out both his paternal (Whitney) and maternal (Barton) lines. He did a good job, but with the luxury of the Internet, I believe I've been able to fill in his research a bit.

His chart shows Joseph Whitney (son of Caleb Whitney and Annes Church) the father of George Washington Whitney with a christianing date of 1813 in Utica, NY. He shows Joseph having been born 7/6/1760 in Sterling, MA and passing away, 9/24/1840 in Hubbardston, MA, of cancer. He shows Joseph having been married to an Esther Crittendon of CT, whose father is listed as the Revolutionary soldier, Gideon Crittendon, with mother having been Esther Cone.

In my research (and I'm open to making changes if necessary) I have found, on this site I believe, Joseph b. 7/9/1760 in Harvard, MA. His death date, according to Hubbardston VR, is 9/24/1840, of cancer. I've located an 1830 census of Hubbardston, Worcester, MA, listing a Joseph Whitney, age between 60 and 70. He resides near the Greenwood family. In the 1840 census of Hubbardston I find a J. W. Whitney, over 70 then, living with a male listed as between 30 and 40 (maybe George W.). Again, he resides next to the Greenwood family.

By 1850, there's no Joseph or J. W. Whitney in Hubbardston, but there appears his son, George W. I have a Land Ownership Map in my Ancestry online collection which shows George Whitney in Hubbardston, MA. Interestingly enough, he's living next to a Mrs. Greenwood.

Recently I had the Worcester County library find George W. Whitney's death record. The record indicates a date of death of 2/28/1882 in Phillipston, MA, which corresponds to his last known place of residence according to the 1880 census. His age is given as 78. His parents, in the record, are listed as a Joseph and an Esther (apparently no maiden name is given).

I'm continuing my research on this. I'm not certain that Crittendon (alternatives including Crittenden and Cruttenden) was Esther's maiden name. I'm trying to track down George W's siblings, if any, and wonder whether or not an Artemesia (or Artemecia) living in the Templeton/Hubbardston area, with an Esther at one point, also b. in NY is George W's sister.

George W. married a Maria Tenney around 1860. The Tenney maternal line, according to Ancestry and so far not in conflict with my findings, actually is a closer relation to Eli Whitney, of cotton gin fame, than from my Whitney paternal line.

Hope this helps with the good research that's being done on the WRG.

Martin Field

Plantagenet Ancestry Edits

Tim:

While I don't have the original to compare, I believe all the changes I made were of a typographical nature, and so just correcting Adrian's transcription. I am least confident about changing TRUSSEL to TRUSSELL in two places (but that seems innocuous) and changing Gocg to Goch. The latter is a valid Welsh word, but the former is nonsense, and g and h are contiguous on the keyboard. You can google them both to see my point. If this still bothers you, I suggest you get Adrian to check the original.

- Robert - Talk to me 09:08, 12 January 2008 (CST)

Well I got the photo of Margaret Calder Morrison #167 (photos) to "upload log" Now what? Tracy

Missing Children

Tim:

Your script to collect the names of children seems to have a problem with the children on Family:Whitney, Abijah (c1760-1829). Neither Joseph nor Elisha shows up on his respective Name Disambiguation Page. Also on Family:Whitney, Caleb (1740-1777), Oliver doesn't appear, either.

- Robert - Talk to me 14:49, 28 January 2008 (CST)

Four Mystery Whitney Girls of Charlestown

Tim:

I have a theory about four otherwise unidentified Whitney girls whose marriage intentions are recorded in Charlestown, MA:

• Mr. Evans Anderson & Miss Mary Ann Whitney, both of Charlestown, entered Mar. 3, 1832.
• Mr. Thomas Hart [meaning Mr.Thomas Hartwell added above and in margin] of Shirley & Miss Eunice Whitney of Charlestown, entered May 25, 1833.
• Mr. William Hurd & Miss Sopeia Whitney, both of Charlestown, entered Dec. 12, 1835.
• Mr. Joseph W. Pennel of Malden & Miss Emily Whitney of Charlestown, entered Apr. 1, 1836.

Compare that with the following from the IGI, Batch No. 7450276, Film No. 0027730, Danville, Caledonia Co., VT:

• Whitney, Eunice, dau. Solomon and Margery, b. 1 Apr 1809.
• Whitney, Mary Ann, dau. Solomon and Margery, b. 4 Oct 1812.
• Whitney, Emily, dau. Solomon and Margery, b. 28 Mar 1816.
• Whitney, Sophia, dau. Solomon and Margery, b. 23 May 1818.

Then I found the 1850 census record of Evans Anderson and wife Mary A., in Concord, NH, and it says that she was aged 37, born in Vermont!

Now one problem is that these four girls born in Vermont had to somehow get from Danville, VT, to Charlestown, MA. The IGI (not the reliable part) says that Solomon⁷ Whitney, son of Silas⁶ and Jane (Pearson) Whitney, was born in Rutland, Rutland Co., VT, and married Margery -----. I notice that Solomon allegedly died in Stoneham, MA, adjacent to Charlestown, after 1860.

The 1850 Census of Charlestown includes Solomon Whitney, aged 72, born in Vermont, living in the family of Joseph Pennell and wife Emiline (aged 35, born in Vermont)!

Do you concur with this analysis? What do you think of creating a page for Solomon⁷ Whitney with these identifications?

- Robert - Talk to me 12:20, 5 February 2008 (CST)

Four Mystery Whitney Girls of Charlestown

Tim:

I have a theory about four otherwise unidentified Whitney girls whose marriage intentions are recorded in Charlestown, MA:

• Mr. Evans Anderson & Miss Mary Ann Whitney, both of Charlestown, entered Mar. 3, 1832.
• Mr. Thomas Hart [meaning Mr.Thomas Hartwell added above and in margin] of Shirley & Miss Eunice Whitney of Charlestown, entered May 25, 1833.
• Mr. William Hurd & Miss Sopeia Whitney, both of Charlestown, entered Dec. 12, 1835.
• Mr. Joseph W. Pennel of Malden & Miss Emily Whitney of Charlestown, entered Apr. 1, 1836.

Compare that with the following from the IGI, Batch No. 7450276, Film No. 0027730, Danville, Caledonia Co., VT:

• Whitney, Eunice, dau. Solomon and Margery, b. 1 Apr 1809.
• Whitney, Mary Ann, dau. Solomon and Margery, b. 4 Oct 1812.
• Whitney, Emily, dau. Solomon and Margery, b. 28 Mar 1816.
• Whitney, Sophia, dau. Solomon and Margery, b. 23 May 1818.

Then I found the 1850 census record of Evans Anderson and wife Mary A., in Concord, NH, and it says that she was aged 37, born in Vermont!

Now one problem is that these four girls born in Vermont had to somehow get from Danville, VT, to Charlestown, MA. The IGI (not the reliable part) says that Solomon⁷ Whitney, son of Silas⁶ and Jane (Pearson) Whitney, was born in Rutland, Rutland Co., VT, and married Margery -----. I notice that Solomon allegedly died in Stoneham, MA, adjacent to Charlestown, after 1860.

The 1850 Census of Charlestown includes Solomon Whitney, aged 72, born in Vermont, living in the family of Joseph Pennell and wife Emeline (aged 35, born in Vermont)!

Do you concur with this analysis? What do you think of creating a page for Solomon⁷ Whitney with these identifications?

- Robert - Talk to me 12:22, 5 February 2008 (CST)

Genealogy Questions

Hi,

My name is Esther and I am new to this group and process. I read your page and have read many old archives about you and Robert Ward. I have figured out that it seems that the two of you are who headed up this entire project and I want to say that that is wonderful, and thank you. Thank you so much, it has helped a lot.

I have copied and pasted a letter I just wrote to Robert L. Ward and would love if you or he or any one else would be willing to help me and my family with the following. Thanks, in advance!

Letter to Robert Ward:

My name is Esther Smith. I am related to the Whitney line through Betsey WHITNEY. I have done my genealogy with my fathers help. We have gotten quite far in many lines and finding your Whitney research website has been wonderful!

I found it back when you were still developing it, but at that point was just going to college and falling in love and getting married and all those things, so I didn't take much time out then for genealogy, aside from a genealogy class I took at BYU-Hawaii in 2000.

I am 27 years old and come from a family of 9 children. My father loves genealogy. He used to do all his genealogy by hand on yellow ledger pages and stuff before we ever had a computer (as a family). He got me involved in helping him on genealogy back when I was 5 years old. All of my sibblings help do the genealogy too.

Are genealogy is getting huge and we need to find a way to combine all the various GEDCOM files together. Everytime any of us tries to our computer fries and we loose everything. And I have a pretty extensive computer that I do Web and Graphic design through.

I know that this is getting long and you are wondering where I am going with it. It is just that I have read over old archives and such on here back from 1999 and forward and many of them have said that you and Tim Doyle are the ones who made all of this possible and the ones who "Know your stuff". So, I am contacting you for two reasons.

1. 1. I am at a dead end on Betsey Whitney's first husband Aaron Davis, who I believe I am related through, and Susannah GERRY.

1. 2. I am wondering if my father and I might be able to put our heads together with you and/or Tim Doyle and make another one of these web projects for other Surnames aside from just the Whitney side.

Just to give you a genealogical idea of who I am down from Betsey Whitney, here you go:

Israel WHITNEY + Susannah GERRY

Betsey WHITNEY + Aaron DAVIS

Narcisi HAZEN (aka. Nelson DAVIS) + Appoline (Pauline) CHAMPEAU

Apoline (Pauline) HAZEN + Louis LAMIRANDE

Agnes Marie LAMIRANDE + Fredrick Rapheal PARMENTIER

Phyllis May PARMENTIER + Kenneth William VERHAGEN

Paul Kenneth VERHAGEN + Merrily HILL

Esther Michelle VERHAGEN (Smith) ***Me***

I have an e-mail that I can send as an attachment or copy and paste, if you are interested on all the current information we have regarding Aaron Davis and what we are still seeking on him.

I would truly appreciate if you could help us in either or both areas! If you are unable to do so however, please direct me to whom I should contact and how.

Please e-mail me at [email protected]

Thank you so much in advance! Esther Smith

Census project

Tim - It appears the census project is humming right along. I have to make one final trip to the library to double check ancestry records for Mass. (I used heritage quest to gather data). I would like to continue working on this project if there is more work to be done. I have looked through several states in subsequent years, they appear to all be assigned. Is there an easier way to tell what states still need researched? Thanks much. Carol

Hi Tim - Weather permitting I am going to finish up my library work on Mass. tomorrow. I will then start a "Whiting" "Whitny" and "Whiting" check (I found several instances in Mass. where Whiting was really Whitney). Thanks much.

Carol

Main Page Layout

Tim:

Can you make the box on the right-hand side of the Main Page shorter? I'd rather have the information in the center column shorter, which could happen if it wraps around a shorter box, getting wider below its bottom edge.

- Robert - Talk to me 19:40, 20 February 2008 (CST)

Which County?

Tim:

In assigning counties in Category: links, I have run onto a quandary. Consider Roxbury, MA. When counties were established, it was part of Suffolk County. When Norfolk County was established by being split off from Suffolk County, in 1793, it became part of Norfolk County. Then in 1867, it was annexed by the City of Boston, and again became part of Suffolk County. So which county name should I use in the Category: links? So far, I've used Suffolk, but now I'm leaning towards Norfolk. Or should it be time-dependent, so before 1793 or after 1867, we use Suffolk, and between those dates, Norfolk? Or should we use both?

- Robert - Talk to me 13:56, 22 February 2008 (CST)

Re: Joseph Whitney Hubbardston, MA

Looks like we've been able to fill in some info on Joseph Whitney's family. I'm glad you were able to get the date of death for his wife, Esther (Crittenden) -- she wasn't in the MA Secretary of State's archives.

I'm curious as to the source for the marriage date for Joseph's son, George Washington Whitney. Although his wife shows up as Elmira, on my grandfather's genealogy chart and all the censuses she is known as Maria A ("A" for Arvilla). MA VR shows Maria marrying a Hopkins in 1899, in Petersham. She is later found residing with her daughter Mary Ellen in NH.

George W. Whitney may have married first an Abigail Sawyer on 9/18/1839, Templeton VR.

Joseph's son with the alternate names of Balak, Baruch, Barah is mentioned in the Town History of Hubbardston. He is said to have married (probably 2nd) an Elmira Elizabeth Greenwood b. 1842, on 2/10/1871. It goes on to say that he died on 7/26/1877 (the MA VR for Hubbardston backs this up). It uses the name Baruch as does a later census (1870?). Also, a book on the Greenwood genealogy mentions Baruch and says that he was b. in Utica, NY, of Josiah and Martha (Crittenden) Whitney. The name of Martha may be an error or perhaps was her middle name (?).

If you'd like to discuss, please feel free to do so.

Martin

Whitney from Wales

Tim I have confirmed that James Whitney from Usk married Louisa Williams. I obtained Ernest James birth certificate from the GRO and lists Louisa Williams as his mother. I have updated my page with this info. I am slowly working at this. I also obtained Ernest and Olwen's marriage cert. and list as witness John Whitney and Amy Lawrence (Amy married?).

Truman Whitney

Hi Tim, Wow! You are amazing. I will follow the leads you gave me, but I wanted to provide you with the exact info that I have.

I found C.E Whitney (Charles Emmett) in the Biographical Sketches for Cherokee County Iowa. The following is the information directly copied from their site:

C. E. WHITNEY, one of the well-known and popular farmers of Silver Township, has been a resident of Cherokee County since 1876. He was born in Chautauqua County, New York, October 4, 1847, and is a son of Truman and Jane (Ransom) Whitney. They were the parents of five children, only two living: Mary J., wife of Wallace Wilcox, of Chautauqua County, New York, and C. E. Whitney, the subject of this notice. The father was a shoemaker in early life, but in later years took a heavily timbered farm which his son assisted him in clearing. He died in December, 1887, and his wife died when C. E. was five years old. When Mr. Whitney was twenty years old he broke the ties of childhood and youth and went out into the world to make a career for himself. He came to Delaware County, Iowa, and having been trained to agricultural pursuits, he worked at farming by the month in Delaware, Fayette and Buchanan counties. He was married October 25, 1868, in Buchanan County, to Miss Sa rah M. Warner, who was born in Tuscarawas County, Ohio, a daughter of George and Mary (Goodman) Warner. Farming through the wet year of 1869, in 1870 he obtained a position with Granger & Bradshaw, prominent stockmen of Marion County, Iowa, in whose employ he remained for five years, running a threshing-machine every fall. In 1876 he removed to O'Brien County, Iowa, and engaged in farming. the grasshoppers totally destroyed his crops that season, and in the fall he came to Cherokee County, and located on his present farm the following April, 1877. He has a barn, granary, cribs, and many conveniences for feeding stock, one of the best wells in the county, a fine grove of timber, and an orchard, with a great variety of small fruits. One hundred and forty acres of the land is in cultivation, and the balance is in pasture and meadow. Mr. and Mrs. Whitney are the parents of nine children: Rosa Bell, Martha Dell, alice Nell, Mary Estell, Genie Ethell, Addie Louell, Nina Vell, Edna Au rell and Orrin Emmett. In politics Mr. Whitney is idependent. He and his wife and four daughters are consistent members of the Methodist Episcopal Church. They are in the prime of life, cordial and hospitable, and among the leading families of the township.

With this information, I searched cemeteries in Sherman, and found Truman, Jane and three young children all buried together at the Waits Corners Cemetery. (This of course was done online, since I am in Florida and not New York!)

I have a great aunt who is still living, and knew both Charles and Sarah. Sarah lived to be 103, and was the oldest resident of Salem Oregon when she died. She remembers hearing of an Uncle Orange, and an Uncle Eli, both on the Whitney side.

I also have pictures of Charles and Sarah.

What information would be useful for me to add to this site?

In addition, I have a song that Charles wrote titled "The Banks of the Merry Little Sioux" (apparantly they were a very musical family, and Charles played the violin). I found this song listed with his biography on the Cherokee Iowa genealogy site.

Again, Thank You for your help, I will proceed with the possibilities you have provided, and see if I can make any direct links!

Rebecca

Tag - you're it!

I sent you an email back. If YOU don't receive it, let ME know! ;)

Hello and thanks.

Greetings Tim, I was asking the same question yesterday when I found RL Wards additions to the lineage I started. What I found when I Googled Jazaniah Whitney, I found a couple of pages of Whitney's from a book titled History of Newport New hampshire. and with in which I found Orange Whitney son of Jazaniah who had a son Charles H. Whitney. This research group has been so very interesting because as I wrote in the intoduction page our lineage back from my grand father was totaly nonexistant. then to have RL ward offer so much of our information, my sisters and I are reeling in the news of the history we have.

Tim, thanks for the interest. If you happen to run across additional info please feel free to contact me.

Charles Ernest Whitney Jaffrey NH.

A new Family page.

HI Tim, thanks for all the help. the pages are looking great. Concerning the new family page I created, It looks like I messed up right out the gate and I was wondering if this can be deleted so I can start over?? it's wrong right at the title page. Please let me know Charlie Whitney

DEMPSEY WHT- NEY

MY -EYBOARD JUST MESSED UP. SEEM YO BE M-SS-NG SOME -EYS HERE. - HAVE DEMPSEY SOMEWHERE. - W-LL LOO- TOMORROW. PATTY WOODALL CAME THROUGH W-TH ALL OF -SAAC'S PAPERS. JEANNE

Doug Whitney- [email protected]

Tim- I have had my DNA by Family Tree DNA profiled and would like to incorporate it into the WRG. It confirms my lineage back to John Whitney and connects me to other descendents, however, I don't completely understand it. How do I go about bringing it to the WRG? Thanks Doug Whitney [email protected]

Tim:

When I went to Discussion:Lineage_site_update&rcid=73101 and clicked on the "Website Feedback" link at the top, I got an error message. When I clicked instead on "Discussion Forum Index", and then on "Website Feedback", all was well, so there is a work-around.

- Robert - Talk to me 07:18, 26 April 2008 (CDT)

Delete a page

Hello Tim,

My name is Joyce Sharpley. I just uploaded my .jpg Whitney Outline twice. One of the pages needs to be deleted as they are the same thing. I was trying to make the print larger when saving the outline, but for some reason it doesn't work, and I don't know how to enlarge the print at the Whitney site. My e-mail is [email protected] I put the outline in .pdf format and the print was a readible size 12 point, but as soon as I put it in jpg format it would not enlarge.

!

Timothy - what you up to cuz??

Lydia Whitney

Thank you so much. I then found this posting on Ancestry message boards, where the first responder says she is descended from his daughter Lydia Whitney. However, the original post has the unknown daughter being named Mary, so I don't know how Lydia could fit in. Michael A. White 08:47, 2 May 2008 (CDT)

Created page for Phineas Whitney

I added the page for Phineas Whitney, but cant begin to think hoe to link it to my page. http://wiki.whitneygen.org/wrg/index.php/User:Sbrina40

The new page is http://wiki.whitneygen.org/wrg/index.php/Family:Whitney%2C_Phineas_%281803-%3F%29

Kellyann

!!!!

timothy!!! did you get my email??

Why the Change?

Tim:

Why the last change to Family:Whitney, Robert (1592-1653)? Both the sons Robert and Francis must have died before 1638, when their younger brothers Constantine and Richard were called 2nd and 3rd sons of their father (Thomas was the 1st son) upon matriculation at Oxford.

- Robert - Talk to me 19:17, 5 May 2008 (CDT)

Children of Sir Robert

Tim:

I understand why you changed the dates. I agree that the children should be reordered, according to the visitation pedigree. That, at least, is a contemporary source. Agreed that Francis was probably the fifth surviving son and William the sixth. The surviving sons seem to be listed in order of age, followed by the surviving daughters in order of age. Children who died young were not mentioned, perhaps not surprisingly. Even Constance, who lived to maturity, but died unmarried before 1634, is not mentioned. Probably the daughters and sons should be interleaved to fill in the gaps left by the known ages. I'd put Eleanor as b. say 1617, Susan, b. say 1619, and Elizabeth, b. say 1627. Elizabeth died after 1634 but before her father. Possibly there was another, otherwise unknown, child b. ca. 1612 and died young.

I think that would make all the records agree with each other: visitation, baptisms, and matriculations.

- Robert - Talk to me 07:26, 6 May 2008 (CDT)

Hannah Whitney, Charles Cloes, Paul Knight

Tim,

The name of Chandler's River, ME, was changed to Jonesborough in 1789, so that is not an issue.

I can't recall nor find the source I used to connect Hannah Whitney, daughter of Joel and Mary (Weston) Whitney, with the H. Whitney who m. Paul Knight. I did find that Paul Knight was son of Capt. Jonathan and Mary (Adkins) Knight. He and Hannah (Whitney) Knight had the following children: Lucy, Adkins, Hannah, Joel, James Christy, Ann Maria, Ellis, Hiram, Elizabeth, Emily, Sabrina, Sewell, Louise, Malinda, Mary, Calista, and Jerome. Note that the second son was Joel, onomastic evidence of the connection. I suggest you ask Ken Whitney, our expert on Maine Whitney families.

I don't understand how a single female whose family were in, and stayed in, eastern Maine, was in a position to marry someone in Albany Co., NY, in 1784. I suggest that it might have been a different Hannah Whitney who contracted that marriage, and that the birth dates are just a coincidence.

- Robert - Talk to me 07:56, 16 May 2008 (CDT)

Sorry it so long for me to get this together

I have been researching for so long that I really need to publish my results. I thought this would be a good place to start for some of it. I have a large collection of gravestone photos which I will be hosting on my personal website. A fair number of them are of the Kansas Whitney lines. I will be trying to figure out how to work them into the WRG perhaps via links? I really appreciate your assistance with my additions and trust there will be someone to help with the cemetery photos when I get the data together.

Thanks again for your help. I feel comfortable already.

Thank you so much for putting the John Merrick/Clarissa Whitney Bible page with the others..... I have spent two days trying to figure it out (*_*) Thx for the help. I have other things I would like to post... can you tell me (in little baby language) how I transfer a page I write to be put with others in same category? Thx so much.... Jeanne

Okay... I give up! This site is simply too complicated for me.... I have just tried to upload an image of a Whitney tombstone w/inscription, but I cannot master the process. Am sending my regrets to the Whitney's as I do have some things that I think original and interesting. Next time one of my "kids" is home maybe I can get some help (*_*) Jeanne

Tim: I have just uploaded military pay records for James Rex (Rix) Whitney. I have no idea where they are or what to do with them.... maybe you can place them properly. Thx Jeanne

Umm I have considered it. And I'll proably do it. But I don't expect to find a John Whitney link. Did any known Whitney's of that line even own slaves?

Even so since I am African-American it is quite possible that my DNA won't be traced back to any of the major Whitney lines. Although, it would be fun to find that there is a genetic link! I know of a few DNA genealogy sites for African-Americans. At some point I will submit a sample there too. That sort of research doesn't really help you imagine much of a story. I mean, eventually we are all related.

I am really just trying to figure out where those 23 Hyde Co. slaves come from. I don't have much hope but I'm finding that the search is kinda fun. I figured the Samuel Whitney connection would be a no-brainer but I just can't seem to connect this Sarah Whitney of 1790 Hyde Co to him.

Source of Memoranda

Tim:

I believe I photocopied that at the NEHGS Library in Boston in 2004 (after the Reunion). At any rate, I have a photocopy. I just checked that part of the photocopy against its transcription, and the latter is letter-perfect.

- Robert - Talk to me 15:51, 18 June 2008 (CDT)

Update

Tim -

I have really neglected the 1840 Mass census project. I took on a part time job in Feb. and then a full time position the end of March (retirement brought on new life goals and I still haven't won a lottery!) So that along with stained glass commissions has kept me a little too busy. I now have Thursday night and Sunday afternoons I can devote to working on the project. I assume it is available as my name still appears as the transcriber. Just wanted to give you an update and check in with you, don't want to duplicate work if someone else has taken on Mass. Thanks.

Carol

Arthur Whitney pages

Thanks so much for your kind words. I'm not familiar with wiki so that's a learning experience! And I worry about my edit ettiquette, so if you see me doing anything that's a no-no please let me know. I have alot of information on Arthur's descendants that I'll add as I feel my way thru. There is some information I have that I'm not sure where to put yet. For instance, in 1850 Franklin Parish, LA Western District there is a Francis Whitney, 15 living in household of Arch Holloway. Arthur Whitney the first (assumed) son of Arthur 1800-1850 was married to Elizabeth Holloway, possibly relative of Arch Holloway, so that would likely link this Francis to the son Arthur, but I don't know where to place that information. What do you think? I'm a litle overwhelmed by the wiki site at this point. I want to try to prove Arthur is son of Francis, as I think he is, but haven't found the link yet. Thanks again for your comments. Debi Giltner BTW I descend from Arthur thru Silas and Mary Ann Johnson Whitney's daughter, Julia Whitney. No men left in Silas' line to do the DNA test. Darn!

Late in getting your message

Tim, Thanks for thinking of me, yes I had considered the line of Phineas until I went the route of DNA-y(67)(37765), from that they say I should be John1, Thomas2, Eleazer3. then is where I make the big guess as to Jonas4, Jacob5, and that is where I would have a Reuben6, which is the son of Jacob5. I have a Reuben Whitney and Ruth (Unk) as parents of my Crosby Whitney. It has always been favorable looking into the Phineas family with the surnames and given names of Crosby, and Reuben, being used so much and being from Maine.

But to believe in DNA I must think of the line of Thomas and Eleazer. 

I wish more people would go to 35 markers or more, 25 just isn't enough.

  I would like to give you some small information about Chester Coborn8 Whitney b. 18 Sep 1822

in that he married 29 Sep 1845 as you have it (at Saint Joseph, Michigan) from the Saint Joseph, Michigan marriage records. It might help someone.

  I have been spending much of my time on Remington Hobby Whitney b. 1802 from Maine and sending information to Ken Whitney. 
  Gerald E. Whitney

[email protected]

Those are the same records we found but the hand writing was difficult to read from the census we were looking at. I'm positive that is the same family listed in 1900 as 1910 (Mary=Mamie, Katherine=Kate, Henry=Harry). What I find strange is the discrepancy with the parents ages. Harry is 34 in 1900 so he should be 44 not 39 in 1910. Bridget's age (aka Terry) is also off. My father told me she was born in 1863 and they were only a couple of years apart. I'm assuming 1865 is the correct year. I will try to obtain vital records for New York City and look for Birth records on Harry.

I just subscribed to the mailing list and I'm going to start working on the GED file.

Thanks for posting this, Dave

Photograph Page

Tim:

While the page we have for photographs is useful, I have a suggestion. Make a page with thumbnails of all the photographs. Perhaps four across would be a good size. Make that the main photo page, and make the one we use now a link from it. Of course, each thumbnail would be linked to the full-size photo's own page, with complete caption, etc. The little camera icon from the Main Page would be a nice touch on each!

- Robert - Talk to me 10:39, 29 June 2008 (CDT)

Photograph Page, II

Tim:

I do like the draft version you have put together. Can you arrange it so that each row of photos has the bottoms of the photos, and hence the captions, aligned?

I agree that the old way, with numbers, is now obsolete. We'll have to make a new instruction page describing how to upload a new image and to add it to this thumbnail-oriented page. Including an example would be excellent, too.

What do you think about organizing the photos in some logical way? Perhaps portraits of people could be in one section, gravestones in another, buildings in a third, etc. (or separate pages, rather than sections, for each type). Within each type, I don't have any particular idea how to order them. Chronologically by date-time of upload doesn't make much sense to me.

- Robert - Talk to me 22:00, 29 June 2008 (CDT)

Thanks

Tim,

Thanks. By the way, I reviewed Dame Joan Mordante's will last night to confirm whether or not any of the Whitney offspring were mentioned. Sorry, Henry Whitney/Anne Wilford. Dame Joan Mordante was Anne's mother. They were not. Dame Joan left all of her belongings to her daughter Johann and her husband Robert Apreec. We know that Henry died in 1591, so it may be reasonable to assume that his wife Anne Wilford Whitney was also deceased prior to 1592 when Dame Joan's will was probated. No reference to any grandchildren on either side were mentioned.

Ann Louisa Vaughan nee Whitney

Will upload photos of Ann Louisa Vaughan nee Whitney taken in 1940's and 1950's onto website for you to access = possibly tomorrow.

Regards Rob